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[mel bradford]

"Children don't look for a mother role and a father role, they look for parents. When any couple of any gendoers uses in vitro, the children know their parents are the ones raising them."



Gee, Alex, I didn't know I was talking with an expert.
Can you veil your homosexual bias just a little more for the readers ?
Yeah, children are real philosophical when it comes to their own survival. I hear they make their potential parents fill out gender neutral questionnaires. And make sure they only but products from gay-friendly businesses.

This is why its a waste of time to even make the slightest point about The Lifestyle. The tender little sissys get their panties in a wad and go on the defensive as if the sex police are coming through the front door. An insecure lot if there ever was one.

gee, maybe we should discuss the absolute difference between the gay man culture and the lesbian culture. After all ...as monolithic groups they get along like molten lava and rice paper. But why go there ? It would be so hateful and inthensitive.

[reformedfred]

Mel, the only "tender sissy getting his panties in a wad" around here is you. Alex is having a rational, coherent, and reasonable discussion with you and you are the one falling back on emotive, cry-baby, responses. You are the one who is defensive, and your homophobic bias, as always, comes through loud and clear.

Some people are gay, Mel, get the hell over it already.

[-Alex]

Gee, Alex, I didn't know I was talking with an expert.

Not an expert, just well more informed than you.

Can you veil your homosexual bias just a little more for the readers ?

I don't feel the need when you feel no need to veil your anti-homosexual bias, and have expressed it clearly in each and every post to me. And I'm glad of it, because it reveals so clearly how you don't care about the facts, just your bias.

Yeah, children are real philosophical when it comes to their own survival.

Not really, no, nor did I say they were - as nobody has mentioned anything about their survival. Where on earth did you get that? What the hell are you talking about? Can you even follow a conversation? Children survive and thrive when raised by same sex parented households, and some studies show they may do statistically better in lesbian households than straight or gay male households. They aren't philosophical in opposite sex or same sex households. They aren't thinking about "paternal and maternal identity" as you claimed - that would be too philosophical for them.

This is why its a waste of time to even make the slightest point about The Lifestyle.

The reason is actually because you have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm glad I questioned you, because more and more you reveal that blatant ignorance. "The Lifestyle?" How absurd! You don't know anything real about gay people or their many lifestyles - hint: there's not "just one." Everyone here is willing to take on your points, not just me.

The tender little sissys get their panties in a wad and go on the defensive as if the sex police are coming through the front door. An insecure lot if there ever was one.

Um, I've been addressing your points, pointing out your lies, that's all. When did I show I'm insecure? Right, I didn't. Could you even tell the difference? Or does a secure person not point out when you're wrong? I know you feel all self-important, that when someone confronts your lies, you have to attack them personally when you don't have any facts to back it up. You poor man.

gee, maybe we should discuss the absolute difference between the gay man culture and the lesbian culture.

Or maybe we should stick to the conversation we were having about children and you keep avoiding and changing the subject? No, that's too hard for you, isn't it? You wouldn't be able to get out all the attacks you want to.

[APLMAN]

I believe Mel is what referred to as "deeply closeted".......

[mel bradford]

"Children survive and thrive when raised by same sex parented households, and some studies show they may do statistically better in lesbian households than straight or gay male households."


OK PHD Alex. Is that a promotion for fatherless children ? 'they may do statistically better in lesbian households" ?

gee, that and a buck and a quarter will get you bus fare.

Look, I don't appreciate your perspective and the absolute BS you refer to as "studies". If you don't see my point about promoting fatherless children, that's fine. I understand , I get it. I even get the fact that you understand all there is to know about the 'gay lifestyle' including its infinite mystery. And that it just too bad that narrow minded religious bigots like me have to spout off on a subject ... and that apparently what blocks my knowledge on the matter is my wholesale rejection of all that is gay including the serpentine logic that you employ effortlessly.

Well, there you have it. .... just an opinion that doesn't fit. Tough shirt.

[Grandma Lynn]

I think if we could interview the kids that were
brought up by homosexuals we just might get
a clearer picture.
So far I've seen and heard one speak up and
he was just a fine individual. Maybe all the
fears would disappear, if that's the problem.

[-Alex]

Again, not a PhD, just well more informed than you Mel.

That's not a promotion for two female parented children, it's just a recounting of the facts.

Look, I don't appreciate your perspective and the absolute BS you refer to as "studies".

You don't have to appreciate it. What you appreciate is irrelevant, you are not as important as you are in your head. The facts are the facts, and they aren't BS just because they disagree with you. You're free to stick to your own biased misinterpretation of the world and shun everything that disagrees with what you want to be true.

If you don't see my point about promoting fatherless children, that's fine.

I see your point, it's just wrong.

I even get the fact that you understand all there is to know about the 'gay lifestyle' including its infinite mystery.

There's really nothing infinitely mysterious about the many lifestyles that gay people lead. So many friends of gay people understand their lives just as much as they understand their straight friends lives. Maybe it's mysterious to you because you don't seek to get to know any, but that's just you - others have.

and that apparently what blocks my knowledge on the matter is my wholesale rejection of all that is gay including the serpentine logic that you employ effortlessly.

Rejecting all that is gay is definitely what could block your knowledge, that just makes sense. If you reject all that is numbers, you aren't going to understand math. If you reject all knowledge on a certian subject, you obviously won't be able to understand it! But nothing about my logic is gay, as logic can't be gay. And nothing about it is serpentine. I'd ask you to point out what about it is serpentine... no, I will ask. What is serpentine about it? I know you won't answer though, like the many other question I posed that you completely avoided.

People deal with opinions that don't fit all the time. I'm just glad that you and I both know they aren't based on any good reasoning on your part, just on your bias.

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Grandma, I bet you're talking about Zack Wahls, who I admire - he testified for the Ohio legislature, has been on numerous TV shows, wrote a book about his family, and is still an advocate for equal rights of gay and lesbian families, including his recent project Out To Dinner which aims to set people down at the table for a meal so people can actually get to know each other. As getting to know someone is what most often brings down anti-gay barriers, I think it's a great project.

There are many more, though - many just living their lives, but plenty who still speak out for equality of same sex couples - like the son who testified at the Washington State legislature when the Senate was hearing testimony over this. And so many more around the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/fashion/21kids.html
http://www2.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=11607
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-28/livi ... an-parents

[reformedfred]

well said, -Alex, you put a lot of time and thought into your response.

[mel bradford]

Yeah, Zach Wahls grew up with a father he refers to as "anonymous donor". If he's learned one thing from his pathetic mother its that a father is expendable/ unnecessary.

[-Alex]

His mothers are far from pathetic Mel. And he didn't learn that his father is expendable, he's just living proof that two parents are what makes a home, gender is irrelevant. I know you want to think one of his mothers is expendable, and that he cant be well adjusted without a parent with XY chromosomes, but that's not how it works.

Now, I recommend you stop showing off how you are the pathetic one and move on if you have nothing of value to add.