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[Grandma Lynn]

Lynn, my dipiction was of what our political world has already decided. I have a whitboard (several) in my office. To say I would have time to hide behind one if a shooter suddenly appeared is stupid.
Fact: Poor children are less considered in this country.
Fact: There are people who consider themselves better than other Americans.
Fact: The mentally ill have been underserved for the past 40 years!
Fact: This county is FLOODED with every type of weapon you could imagine already.
Myth: More guns make us safer!
I need instuction and a license to operate my car but I can buy a gun and use it within minutes!!!

Can't disagree with anything you wrote!
Yes, the mentally ill can fall between the cracks.
Yes, more guns don't make us safer, but keep
the ones you have. Training in using them should
be a must. Some guns are just a collectors item.
No, that should be another subject.

[JimDandy75]

Lynn, my dipiction was of what our political world has already decided. I have a whitboard (several) in my office. To say I would have time to hide behind one if a shooter suddenly appeared is stupid.
Fact: Poor children are less considered in this country.
Fact: There are people who consider themselves better than other Americans.
Fact: The mentally ill have been underserved for the past 40 years!
Fact: This county is FLOODED with every type of weapon you could imagine already.
Myth: More guns make us safer!
I need instuction and a license to operate my car but I can buy a gun and use it within minutes!!!

Should you need instruction and a license to vote? Speak? Write? Publish? Worship? Peacably Assemble? Voting is a right. Speech is a right. Keeping and bearing arms is a right. Driving a car is currently... not. By definition anything you get a license for is a privilege that the licencor may prohibit at will. Do I think instruction is a good idea? Yes. Do I think anything protected from the government as a right should be limited by a license requirement decided by that same government? No. That's how you get poll taxes to keep the African Americans from voting. That's how you get firehoses at demonstrators in Selma. That's how Chicago and DC that just lost their cases to ban guns get to back door the same bans by requiring a class from the local police that's never offered, or at such exhorbitant prices that the average citizen can't complete the requirement.

[-Alex]

Should you need instruction and a license to vote?

You should need to register at least. And as long as you are 1) A citizen of the United States, 2) at least 18 years old 3) not under the authority of the Department of Corrections and 4) not disqualified from voting due to a court order, you should be able to register for voting. Then you can vote. And the state can maintain a record of which elections you've voted in.

Perhaps we should do the same for guns. Great comparison, JimDandy! I'd support the same rules for guns as for voting. You register to purchase guns, and then you have to show your registration in order to purchase a gun?

[EasyGoin]

You should need to register at least. And as long as you are 1) A citizen of the United States, 2) at least 18 years old 3) not under the authority of the Department of Corrections and 4) not disqualified from voting due to a court order, you should be able to register for voting. Then you can vote. And the state can maintain a record of which elections you've voted in.

If you used the same model as registering to vote, anyone could buy a firearm. You are not required to provide proof that you are a US citizen to register, just say that you are.

There is nothing wrong with the current system other than people with mental issues are generally not in the system.

[JimDandy75]

Should you need instruction and a license to vote?

You should need to register at least. And as long as you are 1) A citizen of the United States, 2) at least 18 years old 3) not under the authority of the Department of Corrections and 4) not disqualified from voting due to a court order, you should be able to register for voting. Then you can vote. And the state can maintain a record of which elections you've voted in.

Perhaps we should do the same for guns. Great comparison, JimDandy! I'd support the same rules for guns as for voting. You register to purchase guns, and then you have to show your registration in order to purchase a gun?

There are more restrictions that need to be there. Alabama has a closer list but still not right. You're forgetting the felons and adjudicated mentally deficient.

[-Alex]

There are more restrictions that need to be there. Alabama has a closer list but still not right. You're forgetting the felons and adjudicated mentally deficient.

Ok, so you agree that this right can and should be restricted to a higher level than voting, and that there is nothing wrong with that?

So long as we don't call it a license, of course.

[JimDandy75]

Nope. Not to a higher level. Same level.

[-Alex]

Alright. So you agree that the rights of voting and gun ownership can and should be restricted, moreso than they both are today in all states, and they should be the same. That is doable. Doubt you would get much support from the gun lobby and pals, of course.

Washington for instance should add mentally deficient to the list of people to be denied registration for voting and gun ownership.

Should domestic abusers also be denied votes now, or should we allow them votes and guns?

[JimDandy75]

I never said moreso than they are. I said Different states have different voting registration requirements, and that to apply that standard to firearm ownership would require changes to the voting requirements.

[-Alex]

I never said moreso than they are.

Ok, then I am confused by what you meant by this sentence: "There are more restrictions that need to be there. Alabama has a closer list but still not right. You're forgetting the felons and adjudicated mentally deficient."

My restrictions I took were directly off of voter registration rules in Washington. There are no more restrictions in Washington, so did you think there were? Or did you believe more restrictions need to be added to Washington voter registration law?

I said Different states have different voting registration requirements, and that to apply that standard to firearm ownership would require changes to the voting requirements.

That's not entirely what you said, but I kinda understand - though I still do not understand. I am not sure why you say that applying voting registration requirements to firearm ownership would require changes to voting requirements. There is nothing legally requiring us to change voting requirements in order to apply those standards to guns.