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[JimDandy75]

To give you an idea of how well they research their bills, a Rep from CT's 3rd District just submitted a bill to offer a $2000 tax credit to anyone who turns in a legally owned firearm meeting various criteria Including a shotgun with a cylinder. She was trying to get the "Street Sweeper" shotgun turned in. It's on the NFA list. Unfortunately her legislation as currently writted will give a $2000 tax credit to anyone who goes to the store and buys a Rossi Circuit Judge 28 gauge shotgun for MSRP $665. That's the EASIEST but not the CHEAPEST way to get the tax credit. You can buy a much cheaper handgun, install an aftermarket part, and get even more than the ~$1500 the Rossi gave you.

This is nothing new however. The Assault Weapons ban targetted a number of very scary guns. Because they were scary. Not because they were used in crimes. Most gun-control legislators will tell you they want the "Big" or "High Powered" military style rifles off the streets. According to the FBI there were only 323 rifle murders in the US (Not including FLA which wasn't in the spreadsheet for some reason). Given the US population in 2011 that's almost literally one in a million. For all rifles, not just the scary ones. Most gun control legislators talk about letting people have a good revolver for their home defense.

The two most common firearms traced by the ATF at 29% and 20% respectively (Or just under half of all the guns traced) were the Smith and Wesson .38 and Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum revolvers. Almost one out of every two gun crimes was a revolver, not even semi-automatic. In only two states did the total for long arms combined, that's rifles AND shotguns combined- outpace the numbers for knives.

Studies after the 94 Assault Weapons Ban showed that the ban had a negligible effect, because just about every police agency rated their use in crime as essentially zero.

There are far more effective ways to use the limited dollars in the state and federal budget given today's economy that will provide more real security to schools, and the public at large, than banning items that are so rarely used in crimes it adds to the notoriety of the event.

[RugerP95]

I say we take the NRA up with their option. There is about 50 million household with guns in america (including mine).. With that power creates great responsibility.. Anyone with guns should pay say $1000 per year to arm our schools. That money goes to protect our children at EVERY school in america.. 50millon times $1000 dollar i bet we can afford it.. I am willing to pay to protect my kids..It's either all or nothing.. Put your money on the line dammit..

This money goes to pay for armed guards in EVERY school.. The gun companies can donate the guns (I am sure they won't mind).. If you don't want to pay turn in your gun.. Simple as that.. your choice..

YOU CAN SIGN ME UP! I will not only GIVE a THOUSAND DOLLARS, I will sign MYSELF up to BE ARMED AND AT THE SCHOOL TO PROTECT YOUR KIDS TOO!

[JimDandy75]

Rather than a unconsitutional tax on people who shouldn't necessarily be shouldering the burden for that tax, to pay for volunteers who may or may not have training, and psych profiles, I'd like to suggest instead the large pool of people who already get paid for one weekend a month, and two weeks a year by the government. Stagger their "weekends" and post them at schools.

[RugerP95]

I HAVE SENT THE FOLLOWING LETTER TO ALL MY WASHINGTON STATE LOCAL AND CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES:

Dear Representative:

I have always wondered why New York City's homicide rate is so much lower than other major cities in the country, especially when it used to be as high, or even higher. For instance, Chicago's homicide rate is 16, Baltimore is 31 and Washington D.C. is 18, Detroit is 48, Philadelphia is 21. Almost every major eastern and southwestern city is about the same, or MORE.

(JUST FOR COMPARISON, SEATTLE'S RATE IS 3.2, AND THERE ARE NO GUN LAWS IN SEATTLE.)

But NYC is 6.1!

NYC homicide rate is about ONE THIRD of other cities. And it has been low for years, and it is even lower this year than ever before.

WHY?

I FINALLY figured it out.

IT IS THE NEW YORK CITY "STOP AND FRISK" LAW!

The NYC police can stop and frisk you if they think you are acting "furtively." They do not need any other reason. The "perps" in NYC do not dare carry an illegal handgun, because if they do, they will be arrested immediately. It is against the law to have an handgun in your possession in NYC without a permit, and there are VERY few permits given out.

OTHER CRIME RIDDEN CITIES ABOVE DO NOT ALLOW PERMITTED OR UNPERMITTED HANDGUNS AS WELL, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE "STOP AND FRISK" LAW LIKE NYC HAS.

READ ABOUT IT HERE.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference ... index.html

BUT now that we know it works, guess what? "Progressive Liberal Activists" are trying to have it declared unconstitutional, because they say that minorities are being unfairly targeted.

FOR GAWD'S SAKE, this is where the killing is occurring, and the majority of the people who live there and are being murdered are minorities!

So the same people who are being murdered now want to stop the policing action that is saving their lives. Those same people are using the 4th Amendment to attack this stop and frisk law, yet they want to "redefine" or even repeal the 2nd Amendment. WHAT IRONY.

WHAT DO I EXPECT FROM YOU?

1. I EXPECT YOU TO SUPPORT AND PASS LEGISLATION TO ALLOW LEO'S TO STOP AND FRISK ANYONE FOR AN ILLEGALLY CONCEALED GUN. I ALSO EXPECT YOU TO PASS LEGISLATION TO PROTECT THESE SAME LEO'S FROM CHARGES OF PROFILING AND RACISM WHILE THEY ARE PERFORMING THIS FUNCTION.

2. PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS, such as yourself, are responsible for raising the legal bars for institutionalizing the severely mentally ill. Now they are out on the street murdering the rest of us. You MUST take responsiblity for fixing this by LOWERING those legal barriers and REOPENING the institutions where they belong.

3. PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS, such as yourself, have NOT supported lengthy jail terms for those who use a gun to commit a crime, and these criminals are often out on the street within days or weeks of commiting such a crime. You MUST support FAR stronger penalties for those who commit crime with a gun, at least 3 years, no plea bargains and no parole.

Are you aware that every single one of those cities with high crime rates above are under a DEMOCRATIC administration and the only one with the low crime rate, NYC, is under REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION? AND that NONE of them, BUT NYC, have a "stop and frisk" law?

We are constantly being bombarded with the fact that the homicide rates in Europe are lower than ours in the U.S. WHY is this? It is because this is what government's in Europe do! They have low legal barriers to institutionalizing people, and ALL their LEO's can stop and search you at any time! You want low European homicide rates? Then pass legislation to do what the Europeans do, and STOP BLAMING GUNS.

Thje bottom line is that "progressive liberals", NOT GUNS, are responsible for the high crime rates in our cities, and therefore in our ENTIRE COUNTRY as well.

You have expressed no reservations about "redefining" the Second Amendment. You therefore should have no problem at all "redefining" the Fourth Amendment!

As I said, you are morally and intellectually obligated to address this problem. The question is: Do you have the political courage to do it?

I doubt it, but let us see if you do.

I request an answer from you addressing the THREE specific issues I have brought to your attention above. A RESPONSE complete with FACTS, addressing EACH point I have raised above is requested.

You may wish to view Mayor Giuliani's video clip on why NYC homicide rate is so low. He addresses the exact issues I am addressing to you in this memo. Go to:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2107565507001/

Thank you in advance for your attention in this matter.

[JimDandy75]

I'm against more Gun Control, and I'm against Stop and Frisk. Both are unconstitutional. Both will provide lawyers with a great salary attacking and defending it, leaving the people victimized by the loss of their civil rights.

That stop and frisk may work great when it catches a kid with a revolver running drugs. Until it gets thrown out on admissibility grounds. And it's REALLY not worth the illegal search of a car accident victim self conscious about his new colostomy bag and "acting furtively" about it. Just about everyone has had something happen to them while out and about they just want to get home and fix. Tearing the seat out of your pants or anything else embarassing but not illegal springs to mind. And we'd all act furtively trying to get home and change our pants or whatever it is that went wrong before anyone notices.

[RugerP95]

I agree, both are unconstitutional. BUT the PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS are going to do everything they can to DESTROY the Second Amendment AND TO THE EXACT DEGREE THEY DO SO, I am going to make them face up to the same destruction of the 4th. THEY DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHICH AMENDMENTS THEY WANT TO DESTROY.

[JimDandy75]

Wow. Just Wow. You're going about this the entirely wrong way. Defend any amendment with the same zeal you would defend the second, and the you're on something closer to the right track. Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right takes on a special meaning when we're talking about the actual Bill Of Rights.

[beenthereanddonethat]

I agree, both are unconstitutional. BUT the PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS are going to do everything they can to DESTROY the Second Amendment AND TO THE EXACT DEGREE THEY DO SO, I am going to make them face up to the same destruction of the 4th. THEY DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHICH AMENDMENTS THEY WANT TO DESTROY.

What a dingbat! I can guarentee you we Dems own guns. Many, many guns! We don't need to argue the 2nd ammendment because it is NOT in harm's way. We don't think of our weapons (or the 2nd ammendment) as penis extensions as people like you do. Hunting, sport, target and protection is as our right. Not just your right! Not just your opinion and certainly not the weak NRA or the crazies who currently speak for it. Regulation is not a dirty word! I'm glad traffic is regulated! I'm glad there are laws to protect me! I'm glad I have my weapon (by the way I am trained which should be a requirement also of inbred weapon owners speaking against regulation here)
You do not own this arguement! In fact you do not own anything beyond what I do.

[JimDandy75]

Be careful, you just did the same thing he did. Not everyone defending the 2nd is a crazy.

You also launched a blanket attack against the NRA. While I agree that Wayne LaPierre is a singularly BAD spokesperson, the NRA does more than enough good to deserve at worst ambivalence. And no, I'm not a member. I think they go too far, and required signing a statement they prepared as part of the membership offer I received. Since I didn't believe in the entirety of the statement, I wouldn't put my name to it.

I have the same generalized opinion of the NRA as the ACLU. A great mission statement that's taken too far. They can't see the forest for the trees. But I applaud both organizations for the good they do, and take some of their overreaches as the cost of their activity trusting their excesses will be curbed by reasonable men in reasonable ways.

[beenthereanddonethat]

Be careful, you just did the same thing he did. Not everyone defending the 2nd is a crazy.

You also launched a blanket attack against the NRA. While I agree that Wayne LaPierre is a singularly BAD spokesperson, the NRA does more than enough good to deserve at worst ambivalence. And no, I'm not a member. I think they go too far, and required signing a statement they prepared as part of the membership offer I received. Since I didn't believe in the entirety of the statement, I wouldn't put my name to it.

I have the same generalized opinion of the NRA as the ACLU. A great mission statement that's taken too far. They can't see the forest for the trees. But I applaud both organizations for the good they do, and take some of their overreaches as the cost of their activity trusting their excesses will be curbed by reasonable men in reasonable ways.

The NRA has become a cheap joke in the past few years allowing the bubbas of this world to speak to reason! Get real! The NRA once had a respected place they are now a disgrace to gun owners! In fact the majority of members disagree with LaPierre! Shove it! I'm for reason and speaking to the unreasonable!