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[EasyGoin]

And movies, correct. I'm not suggesting it, I'm just stating the facts - you can read from their press conference today yourself.

I will take your word for it, I've got other things to do today.

I'm aware that the military uses "actual guns" to train soldiers, I wasn't suggest they weren't.

The reason a movie or video game could be more of the problem than "actual guns" is pretty simple IMO. If you are constantly exposed to first person shooters and violent movies, it teaches you that you can shoot something without any consequence. Kids today spend more time in front of computers, video games and movies than previous generations. The vast majority are not out training with "actual guns". So when they come to the conclusion that someone needs to be dealt with and they find an unsecured weapon, it's not difficult for them to squeeze the trigger because they have already done hundreds if not thousands of times already.

In the absents of video games and movies if person was spending hours training on combat courses with "actual guns" it may be possible for the same thing happen. But I really don't think there are a great number of people engaged in that type of training. Even in the military you don't hear of mass shootings. So it's pretty hard to say it's access to "actual guns" that makes people do this type of thing.

[-Alex]

The reason a movie or video game could be more of the problem than "actual guns" is pretty simple IMO.

Really.

I'd take someone who watches movies and plays video games, but doesn't have guns, over someone who plays with guns, but doesn't watch movies or video games any day.

The reasoning why is pretty simple IMO.

If you are constantly exposed to first person shooters and violent movies, it teaches you that you can shoot something without any consequence.

And if you don't have a gun, well, then beware flying Nerf pellets. They are a real problem, you know.

So when they come to the conclusion that someone needs to be dealt with and they find an unsecured weapon,

...yeah, when they get here, the problem isn't unsecured weapons. It's video games and movies.

it's not difficult for them to squeeze the trigger because they have already done hundreds if not thousands of times already.

Wow, they've squeezed the trigger thousands of times. Or, maybe hit the left mouse button thousands of times, more accurately. OH MY GOD, I HAVE TOO, I'M A TRAINED KILLING MACHINE, just put a gun in my hands and I will be able to pull the trigger for all the mouse clicks I have done.

Even in the military you don't hear of mass shootings.

Wow, but they use video games too? As you just said? Then we have to figure out how to blame video games now, since we give video games and guns to military people only after being properly background screened, trained, kept great eye on, and only are given certain weapons and they don't go on mass killings!

So it's pretty hard to say it's access to "actual guns" that makes people do this type of thing.

Show me a mass shooting where access to "actual guns" wasn't involved.

Wow. Wonderful job explaining how guns are less of a problem than video games. I especially like the parts I bolded about how you think people who watch and play these things all are changed forever. Have you considered becoming a lawyer?

[EasyGoin]

Show me a mass shooting where access to "actual guns" wasn't involved.

Show me a mass shooting where human wasn't involved.

[-Alex]

Show me a mass shooting where access to "actual guns" wasn't involved.

Show me a mass shooting where human wasn't involved.

Oh, so you're done blaming video games? Now you thought it smart to blame humanity over guns?

*slow clap*

[EasyGoin]

Oh, so you're done blaming video games? Now you thought it smart to blame humanity over guns?

Not at all, you were just going juvenile on me, and I didn't feel is was necessary to respond.

The common thread of any mass attack is mental illness. Video games, violent movies by themselves don't turn a person into a mass murderer, the person has to be broken already. The games and movies may just help them over the edge. The question IMO, is how to identify people with these issues and get them the help they need. If the treatment fails the question is then how to protect society from them.

If there is anything good that may come out of this terrible tragedy -

Parents Worry Their Child Could Be ‘Next Adam Lanza’
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/parents-worry-their-child-could-be-next-adam-lanza/

[-Alex]

Not at all, you were just going juvenile on me, and I didn't feel is was necessary to respond.

If you don't feel the need to defend your ridiculous point anymore, after I shot it down with the demeanor it warranted, that is wonderful. I am very pleased.

The common thread of any mass attack is mental illness.

And guns, way more so than video games. So the NRA are wrong to blame video games, while saying guns are no problem.

Video games, violent movies by themselves don't turn a person into a mass murderer, the person has to be broken already. The games and movies may just help them over the edge.

Just as guns help them moreso over the edge.

The question IMO, is how to identify people with these issues and get them the help they need. If the treatment fails the question is then how to protect society from them.

Then your opinion is of much more merit than the NRA, and you shouldn't waste an ounce of time defending them anymore with absurd logic.

[EasyGoin]

If you don't feel the need to defend your ridiculous point anymore, after I shot it down with the demeanor it warranted, that is wonderful. I am very pleased.

My point was and is valid. It's unfortunate that you can't have a discussion without responding like a child.

And guns, way more so than video games.

Certainly in some if not most cases guns were involved. But you can not deny that people are always involved can you? The largest killing of school children in America was arson, Tim McVay didn't use a gun. But in each case they had mental issues.

Just as guns help them moreso over the edge.

Explain how a gun helped them over the edge. It provides the ability nothing more to act, just like a car, airplane, explosives, gasoline, there are always options.

Then your opinion is of much more merit than the NRA, and you shouldn't waste an ounce of time defending them anymore with absurd logic.

I wasn't defending the NRA. I was simply considering their argument with an open mind. Perhaps you should give having an open mind a try.

[-Alex]

My point was and is valid.

I shot it down with plenty of reasons, saying "it is valid" does not make it so.

It's unfortunate that you can't have a discussion without responding like a child.

It's more unfortunate that when someone chooses to mock you and your ridiculous argument, you think it is because they can't have a discussion without being juvenile rather than that your points merited nothing more.

Certainly in some if not most cases guns were involved. But you can not deny that people are always involved can you?

Why would I need to do that?

The largest killing of school children in America was arson, Tim McVay didn't use a gun. But in each case they had mental issues.

And what violent video games trained him?

Maybe in light of Timothy McVeigh, we should enact stronger explosives control? Naw, conservatives will be against any effort of control! The only thing that stops a bad guy with an explosive is a good guy with an explosive.

Explain how a gun helped them over the edge.

Because without a tool, it is hard to become a mass murderer, going over that edge.

It provides the ability nothing more to act, just like a car, airplane, explosives, gasoline, there are always options.

And not even video games provide the ability to act, so they are safer!

I wasn't defending the NRA. I was simply considering their argument with an open mind.

Right, you were defending their point. Now, why not use that "open mind" and consider the opposite argument, that guns are more dangerous than video games, and lets see how well you do.

Perhaps you should give having an open mind a try.

What makes you think I haven't? Because I didn't abandon common sense and still believe guns are more dangerous than games? Because I disagree with you, or the NRA, that means I don't have an open mind?

[Grandma Lynn]

Farrakhan claims the shooting massacre
could be a lesson from God "chickens are
coming home to roost".
Now this sounds familiar, didn't we hear
this before?
This is a horrible thing to say.

[beenthereanddonethat]

An awful thing happened. I think we all remember our thoughts that day. So many babies dead. Stop there for just a moment when we all felt the pain..............together.
Now, as seems to happen in cases such as this, a sort of hysteria sets in. The mindset changes and suddenly there are theories, predictions and opposition to common sense on both sides. This has been demonstrated on the last few pages of this thread. None of the speculation will bring those babies back and neither will the blame and suppositions.
Sadly, we will see more of this. Let's start at what we can do as individuals. We've been trained (conditioned) in the past few years to report anything suspicious. If you saw someone walking down the street wearing tactical gear and carrying a weapon; would you report that? If you heard somone saying they might do something would you chalk it up to a nut or report it?
The politicians will, as always, do what is best for their own interests as will any organization such as the NRA. While members of the same party or organization feel there is much that can be done without hysterical rhetoric.