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[EasyGoin]

How cool is that? You would go to jail here in the USA if you did that to a dog. I guess it's different when the Govt does it.

The Health Secretary has acted after the Mail highlighted chilling cases in which patients were placed on the Liverpool Care Pathway – which involves withdrawal of fluids and food – without their relatives’ knowledge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227089/Victory-care-pathway-families-Minister-pledges-new-law-patients-end-life-regime-consulting-relatives.html

And the hospitals get paid to kill you! That's nice!

During the recent debate it has also emerged that most hospitals in England are being given financial rewards worth millions of pounds to place patients on the LCP, a situation described as “absolutely shocking” by critics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9659561/Doctors-defend-Liverpool-Care-Pathway-as-dignified-way-to-die.html

[mel bradford]

Free, affordable health care....its to die for !

[beenthereanddonethat]

I don't know why the complaining. This is exactly the plan of the republicans in health care. Making sure people die faster so that less in entitlements will be spent, right?

[mel bradford]

The NHS of the UK rations services. Implementation is through the Strategic Health Authorities. Under the Affordable Care Act the same will happen through State Health Exchanges which will implement and report under Federal mandate to five Federal agencies. Health and Human services will implement care and procedure decisions as the one institution affectionately described as the 'death panel'. We're getting all this goodness on the installment plan. First is the blueprint for the super structure. Then the coersion of the states to regulate. Then the tax on businesses and finally the IRS accounting of each individual citizen.

sieg heil BT

[beenthereanddonethat]

The NHS of the UK rations services. Implementation is through the Strategic Health Authorities. Under the Affordable Care Act the same will happen through State Health Exchanges which will implement and report under Federal mandate to five Federal agencies. Health and Human services will implement care and procedure decisions as the one institution affectionately described as the 'death panel'. We're getting all this goodness on the installment plan. First is the blueprint for the super structure. Then the coersion of the states to regulate. Then the tax on businesses and finally the IRS accounting of each individual citizen.

sieg heil BT

Death panels again? Really. Every single prediction you have made of late has been wrong. How interesting you speak as though you know, without a doubt each outcome. Except you fail miserably.

[Grandma Lynn]

The title of this post has to make me laugh!
They will notify you that are going bye bye.
I really don't see keeping anyone alive if they
aren't going to live, except on tubes! Any age.
Make them comfortable and nothing keeping
them alive. That is not killing, that is letting
them go!

[EasyGoin]

The title of this post has to make me laugh!
They will notify you that are going bye bye.
I really don't see keeping anyone alive if they
aren't going to live, except on tubes! Any age.
Make them comfortable and nothing keeping
them alive. That is not killing, that is letting
them go!

I tend to agree that keeping a person alive without any hope of recovery is not something that I would want for myself.

That being said, the article said the the families were not being consulted or notified. The patients were having food and water withheld. Basically they starved to death or died from dehydration. To me that's not treatment, or even humane. I'm sure it was cheaper to starve them to death or let them die from dehydration than let it happen naturally. It frees up hospital beds faster, but I don't think I would like to have someone I cared for starve or die from dehydration. Personally, I do feel the family should have been asked or at least told, but then they may have said no, and that would have prevented the hospital from getting their bonus.

[glenstar]

I have a lot of emotions when it comes to this subject. When my mother was under Hospice care in 2009, I questioned their philosophy about not feeding her at the end. They kept assuring me that when one is near death, and the body is shutting down that food is no longer necessary, and that it actaully ads to the discomfort of the patient. To this day, I wonder-------and it haunts me. My mother ddi not eat anything for the last 11 days of her life.
They also quit giving her insulin for her diabetes because they said it was unnecessary at this phase. Wow, I still get teary eyed thinking about it. Did I do the right thing by allowing Hospice full control? Who knows, It is a very, very, difficult subject.

[mel bradford]

My apology, BT. I forgot.....you live in a state where parental notification or parental concent for a minor to have an abortion is not bound by law. Why would you treat the last gasp of life any different when the first gasp is already a roll of the dice ?

Won't it be fun to ditch grandma once the bankrupt state decides that resources are better spent elsewhere ? It'll be like the Hemlock Society, the twilight zone and a DMV-like office all rolled into one Orwellian experience.

oh, I know I'm dreaming.....but its already happoening in Europe.

[mel bradford]

Yes Glen, similar experience with mine. The family drew the line at a feeding tube after the ability to digest stopped. But we did have a choice...