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[Grandma Lynn]

Listen Alex, I got into the habit
of saying "in my opinion" on this
forum. If you didn't say it, than
you would get flack that it's a fact.

Agree, the rest of you?

I don't lie Alex, and don't appreciate
you saying I did.

Who knows if there is "something worse"
than this life. I would hope not. (I hope
I can say "hope"!)

I don't intend to put Atheists in any category,
except I do think they are missing something.
If that's a category to you, so be it!

[-Alex]

Grandma Lynn, I think that Alex is "baiting" you.

Nope. I was just highly offended that Grandma Lynn kept presenting her ideas as the truth, as if she knew them, as if her thoughts were better than others. I just wanted her to admit that it's ONLY her beliefs, and that she at least acknowledges that her beliefs are no more valid than others, which did not come across.

Listen Alex, I got into the habit
of saying "in my opinion" on this
forum. If you didn't say it, than
you would get flack that it's a fact.

And that's why I gave you flack, because you weren't saying "in my opinion."

I don't lie Alex, and don't appreciate
you saying I did.

You said "There MUST be something better than what we are living through." You didn't say it was just your belief. You said it MUST be. Was that a lie, or not? Was it just your belief, or is it something that MUST be? It's up to you. What you appreciate is irrelevant, as you don't care that you offended so many people here who don't appreciate your tone that you are right and atheists are wrong.

Who knows if there is "something worse"
than this life.

You, apparently, when you said there MUST be something better than what we are living through.

I don't intend to put Atheists in any category,
except I do think they are missing something.

You did put them into a category, whether you intended to or not - a category where atheists think that you can do anything bad on this earth and live anyway you want, and they can do it and since there's no heaven. And you said contrasted atheists with "most people," who "realize there's more to this life and try to live a good and decent life."

Why don't atheists, according to you, realize there's more to this life and try to live a good and decent life?

You put atheists in a category of people who make things worse now when you said :

You are wrong that believing that there's
something better, has kept so many from
making things better NOW
It's the opposite.

[reformedfred]

Reform, that is the dumbest thing. Faith is a wish your heart makes...please!
I make the wish, not my heart, liver or kidney!!!!! Thought you studied the Bible one time then turned on it.....

I am quite sure I have more biblical knowledge and biblical education than most who post here, Lil, and I did not so much "turn on" the scriptures but questioned the inerrancy and divine authorship of them. That is called "critical thinking"' my dear, something you lack.
You want to know what the Bible says about faith? Take a good long read in Hebrews. Faith is defined in the book of Hebrews as thus: "now faith is the substance of things hoped for (sounds very similar to a wish, doesn't it?) the evidence of things not seen."
The bible also says that "without faith it is impossible to please God" and "faith comes by hearing, hearing the word of God" and that it is "by grace you are saved through faith and not by yourself, it is a gift from God, not by doing good deeds, so that no one can boast or brag" Ephesians 2:8'9.
When I said faith is a wish your "heart" makes, of course I was referring to the part of the mind that indwells emotions, what we commonly call the heart, as in "I love you with all my heart". I assume you know this and are just trying to be snarky as far as kidneys and livers.
Bottom line, faith is about the "not knowing" and choosing to believe anyway. Kinda like a wish...

[reformedfred]

How did we even find our about God and Jesus? From the Bible, that is where. It taught us that God is love among other thing's.. Man recorded stories and then they were translated into other languages. Granted, some stories were changed a little by the translations and the translators. Christianality is world wide....

Jesus did say that his house has many mansions...room for us all if we believe...Reform, don't ask me to explain any thing. Since you took years of Bible study, please tell me where you think I am wrong if I am wrong....

Where your wrong is that while Jesus is quoted as saying, "in my father's house there are many mansions. I am going to prepare a place for you, so that where I am, you may be also.", Jesus also said that "...no one comes to the Father, except through me". Which is to say that only through belief in Christ is their salvation. So all those so called mansions are only for those who believe in Jesus, Lil, and not just believe but have repented and been transformed by the work of the Holy Spirit. Is this you? Have you been "born again"? The bible is quite clear, Jesus himself said, "you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God".
So, considering the. Billions of people who do not believe in Jesus Christ, and eliminating those who believe, but have not come to true repentance (are not, according to the Bible, truly saved) the amount of mansions needed shrinks considerably, and room for all "of us" is just how you wish the Bible read, and not what it actually says.
I suggest if you want to use the Bible as your theological basis, you might want to familiarize yourself with what is written in those pages.

[mel bradford]

Simply put, God (Jesus) has room for everyone called to salvation.

[reformedfred]

Simply put, God (Jesus) has room for everyone called to salvation.

And therein lies the rub. Many are called, few are chosen. Mansions required just keeps declining!

[Grandma Lynn]

Grandma Lynn, I think that Alex is "baiting" you.

Nope. I was just highly offended that Grandma Lynn kept presenting her ideas as the truth, as if she knew them, as if her thoughts were better than others. I just wanted her to admit that it's ONLY her beliefs, and that she at least acknowledges that her beliefs are no more valid than others, which did not come across.

Listen Alex, I got into the habit
of saying "in my opinion" on this
forum. If you didn't say it, than
you would get flack that it's a fact.

And that's why I gave you flack, because you weren't saying "in my opinion."

I don't lie Alex, and don't appreciate
you saying I did.

You said "There MUST be something better than what we are living through." You didn't say it was just your belief. You said it MUST be. Was that a lie, or not? Was it just your belief, or is it something that MUST be? It's up to you. What you appreciate is irrelevant, as you don't care that you offended so many people here who don't appreciate your tone that you are right and atheists are wrong.

Who knows if there is "something worse"
than this life.

You, apparently, when you said there MUST be something better than what we are living through.

[i]I don't intend to put Atheists in any category,
except I do think they are missing something.

You did put them into a category, whether you intended to or not - a category where atheists think that you can do anything bad on this earth and live anyway you want, and they can do it and since there's no heaven. And you said contrasted atheists with "most people," who "realize there's more to this life and try to live a good and decent life."

Why don't atheists, according to you, realize there's more to this life and try to live a good and decent life?

You put atheists in a category of people who make things worse now when you said :

You are wrong that believing that there's
something better, has kept so many from
making things better NOW
It's the opposite.

[/quote]

I NEVER presented my ideas as the truth.
It's just what I believe in.
My thoughts are just that "thoughts".
Where did I say I am better than anyone
else? I thought we agreed on many subjects,
but you seem determined to make me "better
than thou" in my mind.
I think you are the only one on this forum that
doesn't know that what I write here on this
post is what I believe...so open up your
mind and take what I write as that.
I'm disgusted that you think otherwise.
And feel I'm wasting my time explaining
to you everything that is clear to other people.
Peace be with you, or will you take that the
wrong way.

[-Alex]

I NEVER presented my ideas as the truth.

You may not have intended to, but you definitely did.

You said "There MUST be something better than what "we are living through." Must indicates truth.

You also said...

You are wrong that believing that there's
something better, has kept so many from
making things better NOW
It's the opposite.

That all was presented as truth.

Where did I say I am better than anyone else?

You seemed to indicate your thoughts were better in all these places. Especially when you said "you are wrong."

so open up your
mind and take what I write as that.

I did. That's the issue.

I'm disgusted that you think otherwise.

And I'm disgusted in the way you said all you did, pretending that atheists are bad for society. How despicable.

[Grandma Lynn]

You take everything I write and twist it around
to satisfy yourself.

Started this post as a very interesting subject
to think about. But if you don't read about NDE,
we really can't discuss it properly.
As politicians say " let me make it perfectly clear"
no one knows what will happen when we die, as
individuals...each person has a different story.
I have expectations and do think there's a hereafter.
What anyone else thinks, is up to them to believe.
I never said, or imply atheists are "bad for society"
You sure must have a chip on your shoulder Alex.
I'm not trying to fight with you about a subject we
don't know for sure what will happen when we die.
I do think in these trying times, it's nice to THINK
there's something better to look forward to.

[-Alex]

Thank you for acknowledging you were not telling the truth when you told someone he was wrong, and when you told him the opposite was true. And you had even said you hoped you didn't have to explain it, but we of course knew better and asked you to. Good thing!

And oh yes, you definitely said if people didnt believe in god, they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it. Remember that? Or do i need to quote you? Oh, wont do any good, would it? You dont want to recognize, acknowledge, or apologize for the offensive things you said.